ATTN: magnus mike huff and anyone with aftermarket cam, please help

[bluecmaro96]

did all of you get your cam from ssm? are the specs the same for everyones cam? will tom make you a cam to your liking or are they all the same? which would be best for me with everything i have? what specs should i get? about how many hrsp is possible from just cam and what would that take off in the 1/4? thanks for all input

[Fin]

Moving to ADVANCED TECH.

[Ironman24]

Only Royce and I that I know of are running a SSM grind cam. Tom will grind anything you want. I'm not convinced the cam is a good upgrade alone. I'm dynoing the car on the 12th so we will see what she puts out. But it's a different motor from the last dyno so the results may not be truly accurate.

Untill there is a solution for tuning I don't think the cam alone is the best idea. I would suggest the SSM package as a whole, the heads will do the cam justice. I'm going to play around with the MAFT+ in the next 2 weeks and see if I can get the O2's around 8.90.

Talk to Tom about what cam will work best for your car, tell him your mods and what you plan on doing with the car. Tom really knows his stuff and has researched cam possibilities more than us.

[ December 26, 2001: Message edited by: Ironman24 ]</p>

[bluecmaro96]

when you say different motor do you mean you no longer have the 3800 that came with the car? i was thinking of getting a maft+ i know msd dis4 retards timing but what will the maft+ do that the dis4 wont do? if i get the cam from tom and then later get the heads and upper lower intake will i get a good amount of hrsp? if i run rich with the cam do i want to retard timing? is it retard timing for running rich and advance timing for running lean? sorry for all questions but i want to get the cam, im also dynoing my car this weekend with what i got except nx. i will then dyno with cam and see the difference, then when i get more cash i will dyno with heads and intake and computer programming. is the cam you have and royce have the same cam with the same specs?

[RiceCooker]

he means he ruined his original 3800 so he got a replacement 3800 and he put the new cam in that on. Tom will custom design the cam to your needs, and even mine and Mikes are a little different. If you get the cam first, I'm sure you will see some sort of gain, but it wouldn't be enough to be worth all the trouble of installing it. Trust me (and Mike), installing a cam is NOT like installing a CAI, or even headers. It takes a lot of work, labor, and patience. Although, in Mike's case, it makes it easier when the motor is out of the car [img]tongue.gif[/img]
I'm not too familiar with the MAFT+, but I know that it controls timing curves and fuel curves, which the MSD unit does not. If you run rich or lean you will be able to somewhat control the flow, much better than stock. You want to run timing as advanced as possible, w/out detonation, and always remember, w/ advanced timing, you want to run 93 octane gas. But once you start using the n2o, you'll want to retard it. I don't remember the rule of thumb, though
I definitely back up Mike when he says to talk to Tom. He has been working w/ heads and cam designs for years, and he really knows his stuff

[Ironman24]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by RiceCooker:
Although, in Mike's case, it makes it easier when the motor is out of the car [img]tongue.gif[/img]
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Hey now, I did the cam install twice, once in the car, then pulled it back out, and reinstalled it in the replacement motor. Of course the 2nd time around was much easier when both motors were on stands side by side. ;) But seriously if you are going to goto the trouble then get the whole package, you have to tear apart the whole top end to install the cam, might as well do the heads too. I decided not to because the car is not my daily driver and I have plenty of time to leave it down, it took me 2 weeks to do my cam install along with porting/polishing/powdercoating. It's just hobby time for me to do the heads later on.

On the MAFT+... Then MSD will only retard timing, which you need to do running the nitrous. It will not advance timing. Running N/A you want to advance the timing which the MAFT+ will do, it can also retard the timing for nitrous runs. It will also allow you to adjust your base and WOT fuel settings. But you MUST have some kind of scan tool or laptop to use the MAFT+ or you will never know what you are changing and if it helps or hurts.

[97 Firebird]

What is the MAFT+? What does it do ? Where can I FIND SOME INFO. ON IT ?

[Magnus]

I searched General and Advanced tech to find some info.. I don't have much time right now so I can't write up a report... I should make a post about it though next week or add some info to the tech database.

http://www.camarov6.com/ubb/ultimate...&f=16&t=000120
http://www.camarov6.com/cgi-bin/ulti...c&f=1&t=003376
http://www.camarov6.com/cgi-bin/ulti...c&f=1&t=003370

[Jayy]

ok the cam will probably add a few hp. if you get the heads and intake you'll get a good return on the investment. if you're thinking about nitrous in the future invest in a msd dis-4. i think you should wait until stefan and whoever get the supercharger kit done and install that. then you'll be looking at a bad 3.8. anyone correct me if i'm wrong on any parts
edit: magnus- good idea posting those topics. i got alot of info from them. thanks

[ January 06, 2002: Message edited by: Jayy ]</p>

[bluecmaro96]

imo the maft + is better, its cheaper and does more for the car than dis4 and alot less complicated