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    New NHRA rule T-top owners inside

    Straight from the horses mouth(NHRA Tech GUY Danny Gracia) ALL TTOP CARS ARE NOW CONSIDERED OPEN COCKPITS. This means we have to follow the same rules as convertibles.
    13.99 needs a rollbar and 10.99 needs a roll cage. Also if any car has a roll bar etc. then you MUST have a 5pt harness. Stock seat belts are not legal.

    The new rule revision will be publisised in the National Dragster soon.

    This is so Bullsh1t [img]graemlins/bs.gif[/img] :mad: :mad: [img]graemlins/bs.gif[/img]

    [ August 21, 2003: Message edited by: slacker69 ]</p>
    <b><a href=\"http://www.sick-sixx.com\" target=\"_blank\">SICK-SIXX MEMBER</a></b><br />NA 14.345 with a 1.863 60 foot<br />Nitrous 13.03@99.5 with a 1.63 60 foot<br /><br />2000 Camaro 3.8L A4: USE TO HAVE Comp Cam 210/220 .535/.547 113lsa 111 I/C, Port and Polished Heads, NX Wet Kit 100 Shot, CPRA made by CP, RK Sport Headers
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    lame, that means i gotta get one soon, hopefully...

    merlin
    2002 Firebird<br />2003 Yamaha YZF 600R

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    • #3
      Well atleast there is one good reason why I don't have ttops. That new rule sucks though.
      2000 turbo/intercooled M5 Black Firebird<br />349.5hp and 415.3tq @ 4400rpms

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      • #4
        roll bar in planning, I do NOT want to do 5pt... screw that. I'm gonna need a damn pit crew just to strap me in and let me out of my own damn vehicle.
        Keith - Chicago<br /><a href=\"http://www.hptuners.com\" target=\"_blank\">HP Tuners - PCM Reprogramming</a><br /><a href=\"http://www.dxsoftware.com/magnus/\" target=\"_blank\">97 Firebird V6 to LS1 swap</a><br /><b>V8 9.967@132.78</b> 1.322 60\' NA Heads/Cam<br /><b>V8 10.295@128.48</b> 1.363 60\' NA Cam Only<br /><b>V8 10.987@119.31</b> 1.422 60\' NA Stock Internals<br /><b>V6 13.674@98.22</b> NA<br /><b>V6 12.394@104.91</b> N20 100HP

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        • #5
          thats like the worst idea ever. finally, a reason to not get T-Tops.
          \'96 <b>Quasar Blue</b> Firebird A4<br /><a href=\"http://jamiethekiller@comcast.net\" target=\"_blank\"><i>jamiethekiller@comcast.net</i></a><br /><a href=\"http://www.woodlandrock.com\" target=\"_blank\">my band: woodland</a>

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          • #6
            t-top cars KICK *** in the summer though.

            Chicks LOVE t-top cars.
            Keith - Chicago<br /><a href=\"http://www.hptuners.com\" target=\"_blank\">HP Tuners - PCM Reprogramming</a><br /><a href=\"http://www.dxsoftware.com/magnus/\" target=\"_blank\">97 Firebird V6 to LS1 swap</a><br /><b>V8 9.967@132.78</b> 1.322 60\' NA Heads/Cam<br /><b>V8 10.295@128.48</b> 1.363 60\' NA Cam Only<br /><b>V8 10.987@119.31</b> 1.422 60\' NA Stock Internals<br /><b>V6 13.674@98.22</b> NA<br /><b>V6 12.394@104.91</b> N20 100HP

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            • #7
              I always wondered why they didn't make this a rule. The structure of a t-top roof is not safe in the event of a flip. I was looking to get one eventually, just for safety anyway. How soon is this rule going into effect?? Next Spring??
              2004 CE Corvette 10.86@132mph
              1996 Supercharged/Nitrous Camaro RS (For Sale)
              2011 Cadillac CTS-V
              2011 Mitsubishi Eclipse Spyder GT-P
              2006 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS

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              • #8
                <blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Shirl:
                The structure of a t-top roof is not safe in the event of a flip.<hr></blockquote>

                This is incorrect. On the Fbody, the T-top and "hardtops" have the exact same internal structure.
                Matt<br />2000 Firebird<br /><br /><a href=\"http://www.fullthrottlev6.com/forums/index.php?\" target=\"_blank\">FullThrottleV6.com</a>

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                • #9
                  I was under the impression that the t-top roof was even more sturdy than the regular one.
                  Keith - Chicago<br /><a href=\"http://www.hptuners.com\" target=\"_blank\">HP Tuners - PCM Reprogramming</a><br /><a href=\"http://www.dxsoftware.com/magnus/\" target=\"_blank\">97 Firebird V6 to LS1 swap</a><br /><b>V8 9.967@132.78</b> 1.322 60\' NA Heads/Cam<br /><b>V8 10.295@128.48</b> 1.363 60\' NA Cam Only<br /><b>V8 10.987@119.31</b> 1.422 60\' NA Stock Internals<br /><b>V6 13.674@98.22</b> NA<br /><b>V6 12.394@104.91</b> N20 100HP

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                  • #10
                    <blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Magnus:
                    I was under the impression that the t-top roof was even more sturdy than the regular one.<hr></blockquote>

                    This is true. The center brace is reinforced because of the lack of side braces on a ttop car.

                    I'm still trying to confirm this. I don't want a cage in my slow *** car.
                    *MATT* <p>98 Camaro SS #1767 A4<br />Artic White<br />Not stock...<p>Former car:<br />96 Firebird Y87 A4<br />Bright Red<br />Wasn\'t stock...

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                    • #11
                      This rule is effective as of now they are already kicking out people at HRP one of the fastest tracks around where almost every stock LS1 runs a 12.9.
                      <b><a href=\"http://www.sick-sixx.com\" target=\"_blank\">SICK-SIXX MEMBER</a></b><br />NA 14.345 with a 1.863 60 foot<br />Nitrous 13.03@99.5 with a 1.63 60 foot<br /><br />2000 Camaro 3.8L A4: USE TO HAVE Comp Cam 210/220 .535/.547 113lsa 111 I/C, Port and Polished Heads, NX Wet Kit 100 Shot, CPRA made by CP, RK Sport Headers

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                      • #12
                        <blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by HAZ-Matt:


                        This is incorrect. On the Fbody, the T-top and "hardtops" have the exact same internal structure.                        <hr></blockquote>

                        Correct, after all Shirl, do you think some small piece of fiberglass is going to keep you safe in a rollover?

                        I've seen pictures of rollovers with f-bodies with t-tops and have always been quite amazed with how the t-top roof handles itself.

                        I definitely WON'T get a full cage, and I'm not keen on a rollbar. I'd be a lot more keen if I had some sort of large power adder. Until then, NHRA can suck my *****.

                        Chris
                        <b>2002 BSM TransAm WS.6 M6</b><br /><b>350rwhp, 365rwtq</b><br /><b>Stock:</b>13.455 @ 105.39 2.129 60\'<br /><b>Mod:</b>12.449 @ 113 1.832 60\'<br /><br /><b>2004 QSM GTO M6</b><br /><b>303rwhp, 329rwtq</b><br />Stock: 13.74 @ 102.14 2.1 60\'<br /><br /> <a href=\"http://members.cardomain.com/silvertaws6\" target=\"_blank\">http://members.cardomain.com/silvertaws6</a> <br /><br /><b>1984 Firebird S/E M5</b><br />2.8L

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                        • #13
                          Didn't say anything at San Antonio Raceway last week.
                          AIM: escalier deverre<br />\'02 Pearl Blue Metallic RSX-S (daily driver)<br />\'98 Black Firebird<br />98 V6 turbocharged to 02 LS1 swap<br />\'02 LS1/4L60E<br />LS6 Block, LS6 Intake Manifold, Thunder Racing 215/220 .600/.523/115 Cam, Titanium Retainers, Crane Double Valve Springs, 125 shot NX Wet Kit w/ NOS brand Purge, True Dual \"H\" Pipe w/ two chambers and dumps, 17x11(rear) and 17x9.5(front) Black Powdercoated ZR1 Replicas on 315 and 275 BFGoodrich Comp T/A\'s (Street)/ET Drags/Skinnies on Weldlites(Track), 3.42/LSD

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                          • #14
                            come on guys, we all need 18 pt cauges in our cars.. you want to be safe don't you!??!?!
                            Keith - Chicago<br /><a href=\"http://www.hptuners.com\" target=\"_blank\">HP Tuners - PCM Reprogramming</a><br /><a href=\"http://www.dxsoftware.com/magnus/\" target=\"_blank\">97 Firebird V6 to LS1 swap</a><br /><b>V8 9.967@132.78</b> 1.322 60\' NA Heads/Cam<br /><b>V8 10.295@128.48</b> 1.363 60\' NA Cam Only<br /><b>V8 10.987@119.31</b> 1.422 60\' NA Stock Internals<br /><b>V6 13.674@98.22</b> NA<br /><b>V6 12.394@104.91</b> N20 100HP

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                            • #15
                              quote from a guy on corvetteforum.com:

                              I just got off the phone with John Miller Tech Service Rep for NHRA National Headquarters , in Glendora Cal. and he stated
                              " At this time there is no change to the glass/t-top rules, they will be considered a coupe and require a roll bar at 11.99, same as in the past"
                              He did tell me this was discussed at this past Tuesday rules meeting but no changes will be made now or in the near future."

                              [ August 21, 2003: Message edited by: 86camarodriver ]</p>
                              Black 96 Z/28, A4, T-tops, tint, 2.73 LSD, Kenwood.<br /><br />Previous Camaro: Bright white 86 Camaro, MPI 2.8 A4 3.42, tint, Z-28 wheels, a few goodies.

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